GRETSCH G5120 piezo bridge modification
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For quite a time I´ve been searching the internet for archtop guitars with an acoustic PU-System. This would be ideal for my gig, because I play a lot of rhythm guitar and need to switch to an electric sound inbetween (50s and 60s swing and rock´n´roll). The only probably suitable guitar I found, was the YAMAHA AEX 1500, which has an on-board acoustic PU-System (end-to-end rod pick up under the bridge). Unfortunately this guitar isn´t built anymore and hard to get. I´d rather have a Gretsch-Type of guitar anyway rather than such a modern jazz box. I also found quite a few posts on the internet asking about installation of acoustic PU´s in archtops, but with no useful answers or results, so I decided to find out myself if a self-installed piezo works.

I tried a Shadow archtop bridge (similar to the YAMAHA AEX 1500 bridge) and a Shadow SH710 small spot double transducer. The results were both very insufficient for my purpose, but I won´t deepen my thoughts to that here.



Shadow archtop Bridge:
unsuitable for GRETSCH G5120

Shadow SH710:
unsuitable for GRETSCH G5120

The final solution was a Schaller "GTMP" piezo bridge. This is a tuneomatic bridge with one piezo for each string which is made for a Les Paul-type guitar. Fortunately this bridge fits perfectly on the wooden part of GRETSCH G5120 bridges! For other archtops it might have to be fitted.



Schaller GTMP tuneomatic bridge

These are the specifications I want:

- I want the modification to be reversable (non-destructive), meaning no on-board pre amping or drilling holes into the guitar.

- I need to switch between the piezo and magnetic PU´s and compensate the sound difference. I play directly into the mixer and use an amp simulation for the magnetic PU part. If desired, I want to be able to split the PU´s and lead them to different amps/mixer with an A-B-box and Y-cables etc.

The guitar modification

First of all I mounted the new Bridge on my G5120, led the cable through the f-hole and soldered the end to the tip of a stereo jack. The magnetic PU output (that was connected to the old jack) I soldered to the sleve-part of the jack.

Very important: be sure to place the Bridge with the screws facing the bigsby.
This may be the opposite way of the original bridge. I tried it the other way around first and the sound was very thin, trebly and useless. I was about to throw the bridge away, but turning the bridge made a drastic difference.

That´s it!

Due to bad access to the interrior of archtops, I made a helpful little tool by soldering a string to an old tip of a guitar plug. This way you can lead the socket directly to the hole. A pair of tweesers are also essential for grabbing stuff that falls into the guitar :)



G5120 with piezo
archtop tool

The switching part

For an all-purpose setup you would need a switch box with a stereo input jack, mono output jack and for send - return jacks for the filters. For this setup you would have 3 pedals.


block diagram

ARTEC SE-OE3 modification

My thoughts were: On the acoustic part (green) I only need an EQ. So why don´t just modify the EQ to my needs. Notice, this won´t be a sound modification of the EQ, just a switching improvment.

This means:

-
break the normal bypass lead.
- apply a send and return socket (I used cinch because they´re smaller)
- join the sleeve of the input (magnetic PU) to the send socket.
- modify the switch

I use an ARTEC SE-OE3 acoustic EQ with true bypass function. Many other EQ´s can probably be modified in a similar way.



block diagram ARTEC SE-OE3 modification


Detailed description

ARTEC SE-OE3 - unmodified

(interior)


Step 1:
Cut the circuit paths to eliminate the original bypass function (red circle).

Step 2:
Solder the battery earth to the middle sleve of the output jack (black wire; battery will disconnect when you pull output plug).

Step 3:
Connect the "send" cinch socket with the middle sleeve of input jack (#1 orange wire).

Step 4:
Connect the "return" cinch socket with the contact of switch (#2 orange wire).


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